[Anna]

Eh?

She?

I thought it was a he… a buyer!!!!!!!

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

Okay Anna.

Clearly this has now become a case of your justifying your correctness instead of being a debate.

You didn’t like your statement being challenged and it would appear that you are taking it as some form of threat to your knowledge of psychology, fetishism, Dommedom, panty selling or whatever other topic you want to link your original statement to.

If people want to believe your statements, that is their choice. I have offered an alternative viewpoint and I have no shame about expressing it. You can call it whatever you like, but I have managed to state my case politely and clearly. If you disagree with what I have said, then that is also your right to expression.

I would be willing to agree that we are in complete disagreement.

your knowledge of psychology, fetishism, Dommedom, panty selling You said it.

You can’t accept that you have misunderstood me and you haven’t apologised for misquoting me. :huh:

Goodbye Freaky Steve – somehow I don’t think anybody here is going to give anything you say any credibility anyway.
:laugh:

[Anna]

Cindy_PantyParadise wrote:

Arr so this IS all an advertising stint. Just saw this on your website:
http://www.freakysteve.com/

Used panties for sale? 2008-03-20 12:29:13 AM
Not only do Jasmine and Krystina have panties available for fans, but so do many of the other girls I work with. It is for this reason that I have spent the past few weeks trying to learn about the art of selling used panties online.

I have been setting up profiles and even my own panty site to jump start the whole panty selling enterprise, lol. If nothing else it should generate new interest for my sites. Right now I’m doing Freaky Steve profiles. If needed in the future, I can see doing the Freaky Steve accounts plus matching ones for the girls, e.g. Krystina and Jasmine. So far my preferences are eBanned and My Panty Store, but it’s still really early to tell. I’ll keep everyone posted. FS
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Hope they enjoy your reviews on MPS. You went down like a lead balloon at this place B).. Setting up many profiles?? ROFLMAO .. Oh dear !!!

Oh Cinds you absolute fucking STAR!!!

:S

[Anna]

oishiigaijin wrote:

I didn’t mean to offend anyone. I’m sorry Anna. Why do you react like that? Why doesn’t anyone show the face? I don’t know what do you do in your real life, but I’m a freelance and I work on the net with my name. Maybe no one will google my name, but we in Italy say “fortune is blind, but bad luck can se way too mauch”. What if someone buys my panties, finds out my name and unfortunately is gonna even search for me to build a 10.000 $ website, for instance????? Maybe this person wouldn’t hire me because he thinks I’m “not serious”. Don’t you think? I dind’t offend anyone!!! If you can control other people’s mind, good for you!! But I’m not sure that the potential buyer and client would say “oh, what the hell, let’s hire her anyway”!!! It would be a better world. I just saw a lot of people here using Alertpay, so I thought I could ask. I’m sorry if my was so injurious. I’m just worried.
Thank you so much.

You’ve answered your own question. What you said was offensive!

So what you are saying is…..the seller may find out your real name. Then she wants a website building. She sees your name. Recognises it. Thinks you can’t be taken seriously and refuses to commission you? That is complete nonsense. Utter crap.

Or perhaps you think she will tell everyone she knows, and one of those people wants a website building and will recognise your name…etc etc?

You are being ridiculously paranoid.

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

The point I was making about context was that my statement is applicable to any context. So in trying to change the definition or nature of the topic, your statement is still incorrect. What I said is also applicable regardless of gender. Dommes can and do have fetishes, sexual or not, panties or otherwise.

Although this thread was started six months ago, I replied to it because it was posted to recently by a couple of people.

And to quote myself earlier:

…and maybe stir up some controversy in the process

:woohoo:

I still say that Dommes do not have fetishes – in the true and original sense of the word. I have explained further still that I was referring to pro-dommes who don’t use sexual acts in their sessions. Yet you still fail, or refuse, to accept my use of the word ‘fetish’ – despite me explaining exactly what I was talking about.

http://psychologytoday.com/conditions/fetishism.html

By the way, there is stirring up controversy and there is trolling…

[Anna]

What makes you think the panty community wants to be as commercial as you are?

You know nothing about selling panties mate, nothing.. . as you keep proving….Perhaps you should hang around and learn from us before you even start to think that you can offer us anything…

You’ll be calling yourself our ‘Panty Saviour’ next…when really all you look like is Colonel Sanders evil twin.

[Anna]

I’ve had a look at Panty Lane.

I think the last thing this community needs is another link farm.

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

Here is why I AM here:

To share my experience with panty sellers and perhaps help in their efforts.

To generate awareness of my site Panty Lane, which I think fills a gap in the world of panty sites. Panty Lane also links back heavily to this site and it’s sister sites.

To contribute to the panty community, by writing articles, posting in threads and offering my input where possible, as well as running my own panty oriented site.

To spread the word about some of the special things my girls do, to the people who would likely appreciate it the most.

I have now made a Yahoo account to help further my efforts. This is just another step towards increasing the ability for people to chat directly with me and/or the girls who I work with.

I am planning on doing some open chat sessions as follow-ups to the articles I write. Having an account specifically for this sort of thing will also make it easier for people to contact me about banner exchanges, uploading pics, etc.

Hopefully that helps. If there are any follow-up questions, feel free to ask or message me and you can hit me up on chat.

Thx,
FS

This is all very well but so far you have shown that you DON’T understand the panty community.

What advice can you give exactly? What is there that experienced and helpful sellers can’t do?

What gaps? What can you offer that Panty Hog and Panty Trust doesn’t already offer?

Seriously! Who the hell are you and what makes you think you know anything about the panty industry??

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

Okay okay…

Here’s the thing, you stated that no Dom(me)s have fetishes.

I did? Are you sure?

Regardless of the context, this statement is false. The context is irrelevant because, regardless of how you choose to define fetish and/or Dom(me), saying that no Dom(me)s have fetishes is completely wrong.

Regardless of context? This is a site that is aimed at the panty fetish? How much more contextual can you get!?

If you want to narrow the definition of fetish, that is fine, Dom(me)s still have fetishes.

I’m quite sure that some Doms do. Who says I’m narrowing a definition? I’m saying there are several meanings of fetishism mainly because the true meaning has been diluted in recent years. When most people refer to fetishism they don’t know the original meaning.

If you want to narrow the definition of Dom(me), it is still applicable, Dom(me)s have fetishes. If you want to narrow the fetish, I will also say that there are Dom(me)s out there with a panty fetish and even to the point that they would wank to a pair of panties.

Doms may do…and no I don’t believe I did narrow the definition of Dom or Domme. I may however have been talking about Dommes with other Dommes. You may not have realised but there is little call for male Doms around here…

To have a submissive tied up and bent over, with her panties on, receive a spanking and then get a load of jizz from her Dom afterwards, on those panties, sounds quite D/s to me. All within the confines of the definitions you describe or clarifications you have made.

That may be so but I was talking about Dommes. Not only was I talking about Dommes, I was talking about Pro-Dommes, and most of us don’t add that level of sexual element to our sessions whether online or real time…sooo…not quite getting the relevance I’m afraid…

If you want to broaden the definitions of either word, the same still holds true, Dom(me)s can and do have fetishes, plain and simple, across the board.

Doms may do…

If you want to make broad, bold statements, it is important that you be able to support those statements. I made sure to qualify my earlier comments by saying that I, as well as all Dom(me)s have learning to do, as any good Dom(me) knows.

Like I said before…I was talking about Dommes to another Domme…

If you want to continue with this debate may I suggest that you stop misquoting me and stop assuming that you know what was going on at the time…six months ago…

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

Hi All,

So I’ve set up a Yahoo account specifically for doing chats and trying to help out where I can.

I’ll be scheduling some chats as well, so stay tuned!
😉

In the meantime, if you want to chat, message me here and I’ll send you my address.

Thx,
FS

Help?

Help with what precisely?

[Anna]

Lose all credibility? Wow cheers mate.

Do you honestly think that your seller is going to Google you and hit you up for some sort of blackmail scam or something?

Why don’t you go back to Alertpay and ask what name will be on the account instead of casting aspersions on OUR credibility!

[Anna]

Hmmmm….

It’s very unfortunate that they don’t have the time in their ‘busy schedule’ to speak for themselves isn’t it?

The used panty fetish is a lot more personal than this.

[Anna]

I’ve moved this thread to Off Topic where it is better suited…and should have gone at its conception.

[Anna]

The point I am making/was making is that ‘fetish’ has many different definitions so the word fetish is often used incorrectly.

This is a panty fetish site. We cater for guys who have fetishes for panties. This means they buy the panties and use them to wank over.

That is not the same as me liking my shoes.

When ‘fetish’ is discussed on this forum, contextually, it is relating to the psychosexual definition of fetishism which means that the person with the fetish is using the object of his fetishism ie panties instead of a person.

When you tell me that I have so much to learn and that what I said was incorrect – which by the way is insulting and patronising because the inference here is that you know oh so much more than me, then yes, I’ll take it personally.

[Anna]

FreakySteve wrote:

“Real-time Dommes don’t have fetishes Anni, not in the true sense of the word, their subs do. “
Where do I begin with this? Anna, you have stated some opinions in your post with the definity and certainty of a typical Domme who also still has much to learn (as do all Dom(me)s, myself being no exception). What is the “true sense of the word”? I have no interest in debating what a “true Dom(me)” is, so don’t bother, it was a rhetorical question that can be (and is constantly) debated on the BDSM community boards. I can safely say that if you were to ask any Dom(me), self-proclaimed or otherwise, they would agree that they all have fetishes.

Okay, firstly DO NOT take part of my quote out of context and then lecture me on what you THINK I said.

THIS is what I said about fetishism

Fetish is when someone has a sexual attraction to a particular item, a non-living item, as opposed to a man or a woman – such as panties, or socks, or rubber.

and THAT is what I meant when I said ‘Real-time Dommes don’t have fetishes Anni, not in the true sense of the word, their subs do’. The word being ‘fetish’, and not always to do with domming – which I believe was the whole purpose of my post!

I was talking about a psychosexual fetish. The word fetish has two meanings. You are talking about clothing preferences. I love shoes and I own dozens of pairs but I don’t wank over them!

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